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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant *this* blog: http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant *this* blog: <a href="http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/" rel="nofollow">http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See this blog: http://www.bwea.com/pdf/RenewableUK_Manifesto2010.pdf

&quot;To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it.” 

The implication is that by placing our &#039;hope&#039; in Obama, in Congress, in the UN, we tacitly resign ourselves to the idea that the outcomes are out of our hands.

I agree – but only if you define ‘Hope’ as a ‘passive’ thing.

If you instead define hope in ‘active’ terms, as does David Orr (here: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/the_th_interview_david_orr_3.php ), you can reclaim the word ‘hope’ from its superficial campaign branding, and then discover a much truer definition of ‘hope’ – hope through action, and hope in the movement. It is when you understand deeply this definition of hope – as distinct from naive, passive optimism and faith – that you can truthfully use the ‘language of certainty’.

I suggest that deep in his heart, even Derrick Jensen shares this ‘hope’ in the movement:
    “And when you quit relying on hope, and instead begin to protect the people, things, and places you love, you become very dangerous indeed to those in power.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this blog: <a href="http://www.bwea.com/pdf/RenewableUK_Manifesto2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bwea.com/pdf/RenewableUK_Manifesto2010.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it.” </p>
<p>The implication is that by placing our &#8216;hope&#8217; in Obama, in Congress, in the UN, we tacitly resign ourselves to the idea that the outcomes are out of our hands.</p>
<p>I agree – but only if you define ‘Hope’ as a ‘passive’ thing.</p>
<p>If you instead define hope in ‘active’ terms, as does David Orr (here: <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/the_th_interview_david_orr_3.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/the_th_interview_david_orr_3.php</a> ), you can reclaim the word ‘hope’ from its superficial campaign branding, and then discover a much truer definition of ‘hope’ – hope through action, and hope in the movement. It is when you understand deeply this definition of hope – as distinct from naive, passive optimism and faith – that you can truthfully use the ‘language of certainty’.</p>
<p>I suggest that deep in his heart, even Derrick Jensen shares this ‘hope’ in the movement:<br />
    “And when you quit relying on hope, and instead begin to protect the people, things, and places you love, you become very dangerous indeed to those in power.”</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you&#039;ve described is &quot;wishful thinking,&quot; not &quot;hope.&quot; The definition of &quot;hope&quot; that your audience gave you is misleading - real hope happens when you are engaged with what you hope in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you&#8217;ve described is &#8220;wishful thinking,&#8221; not &#8220;hope.&#8221; The definition of &#8220;hope&#8221; that your audience gave you is misleading &#8211; real hope happens when you are engaged with what you hope in.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent article.   I particularly like the description of the liberating, even enriching feeling after the loss of Hope.
What Derreck  Jensen describes might even be described as the sixth stage of grief, although unfortunately, not all who grieve get to this liberating stage.
Because of a different set of circumstances I too lost hope some 15 years ago. I can even remember the day I died.  
I now play by my rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an excellent article.   I particularly like the description of the liberating, even enriching feeling after the loss of Hope.<br />
What Derreck  Jensen describes might even be described as the sixth stage of grief, although unfortunately, not all who grieve get to this liberating stage.<br />
Because of a different set of circumstances I too lost hope some 15 years ago. I can even remember the day I died.<br />
I now play by my rules.</p>
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		<title>By: John in rural NH</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>John in rural NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this post is full of excellent insight.  I share Derreck&#039;s focus on what is going wrong -- my wife asks why I am negative, how can I stand it.  Well, I think that if I can just grasp reality, I can be better prepared for it.

But Derreck leaves me in the dust.  I have turned my negativity into acceptance and cynicism rather than a spur to action.  I imagine that we are reliving exactly what happened so many years ago on Easter Island - petty little  selfishness, inability to cede a little of one&#039;s own advantage for the common good.  After reading this I will have to reconsider my passivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this post is full of excellent insight.  I share Derreck&#8217;s focus on what is going wrong &#8212; my wife asks why I am negative, how can I stand it.  Well, I think that if I can just grasp reality, I can be better prepared for it.</p>
<p>But Derreck leaves me in the dust.  I have turned my negativity into acceptance and cynicism rather than a spur to action.  I imagine that we are reliving exactly what happened so many years ago on Easter Island &#8211; petty little  selfishness, inability to cede a little of one&#8217;s own advantage for the common good.  After reading this I will have to reconsider my passivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Framing: &#8220;We&#8217;re going to solve it&#8221;&#8216; &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Framing: &#8220;We&#8217;re going to solve it&#8221;&#8216; &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] She wrote: Hope is passive.  Hope is what you have when you have exhausted all other options.  As Derreck Jensen writes, “To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it.” By placing our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very disappointed that the fantastic nonviolent demonstration of love will not be occurring on March 15-18. I was so excited about Tim&#039;s trial that I was about to pose as a music promoter in order to try to con Rage Against the Machine/Neil Young/Thom Yorke to play at his trial for more media coverage! Like you all in Utah, we&#039;re also really desperate and somewhat consciously unaware of the scope of the problems that our generation faces, and we wanted to do all we could to help you out. 

This is a great article, Derreck. As Tim has pointed out in the past, inspiring yet harrowingly realistic articles like this are going to be a good first step to help people get out of their shells and onto the streets, including myself. All of us suffer from varying levels of despair and lethargy at times regarding the various ecological crises our planet faces, and we have to delicately balance realism - which often topples into despair - with a larger feeling of participation in a vibrant, young, and historically unparalleled movement for global environmental and socioeconomic justice.

In terms of the spiritual tradition which I understand the best - Islam - there&#039;s a lot related to this ethical imperative of &quot;avoiding foolish hope.&quot; There&#039;s a fantastic quote from the Quran where it says that &quot;God does not change a people until they change themselves.&quot; It sounds simple, but it has a number of deeper meanings, and one of the most important meanings is that of divine grace granted to individuals who prove themselves better than their peers by holding fast to realism, even if realism is painful. 

In Islam, the purpose of this existence is merely a test to discern which individuals are more suited to a noble position in the hereafter due to their deeds and character in this life. Therefore, we must understand that there are all kinds of ostensibly appealing but ultimately deceptive traps that are set for us in this life - the &quot;apples of Eden&quot; - in order to discern whether we&#039;ve passed the test, and to know if we actually deserve the blessings of God or if we&#039;re just a bunch of hypocrites that want an easy way out. From the perspective of modern industrial civilization, consumer culture and high-kilowatt &quot;green&quot; culture is this apple that the evil one tempts us with. If we&#039;re culpably intertwined with any coddling ideology which hides immense injustice by spoonfeeding us with opiates or placebos - whether they be shopping malls, Hummers, SUVs, clean coal, a few organic bagels, a &quot;foolish hope&quot; that somebody else like Obama will solve the problem, or anything else - it is imperative upon us to consciously break away from these placebos and tools of hypnotists, even if it is a painful process. God is not going to help us out until we &quot;change ourselves,&quot; or rip the rotten bark away from the stem which comprises our spiritual core. Once we admit to ourselves all of the subtle and often subconscious lies which ease the burden on our shellshocked consciences, we can then help individuals warm up to participation in real solutions - solutions which require hard work and struggle, such as community organizing, massive protests, civil disobedience, and disassociation from public and private individuals who discourage our own moral resolve for environmental peace. We are up against very, very evil forces who don&#039;t give a shit about the planet, and they have a lot more money than we do. So we&#039;re gonna have to get smart, and we&#039;re gonna have to purify ourselves of all the bullshit and the foolish hope. God&#039;s not gonna change our own state unless we wake up and smell the coffee ourselves.   

Not many people are pulling the spiritual imperative out of the climate change narrative at a level effective enough to punch the average Joe in the face. If we were able to do this, God willing, it could be an effective turning point in the struggle for climate justice. This is no joke - our generation literally deserves eternity in hellfire for the resource burden that we will bring upon later generations due to our own decadent waste of water, oil, air, etc. I believe, however, that if we begin to infuse the environmental justice movement with a strong spiritual component, we might be able to turn the tide in America and elsewhere. Remember that the civil rights and abolitionist movements both maintained some of their strongest support from spiritual communities. Climate change is a problem that will determine the trajectory of our own lives, the lives of many generations after us, and the lives of our souls in the hereafter. We must try to impart that to the American public.  

If, as many indigenous and prophetic traditions including Islam state, this world is just a test to separate the brave and the truthful from those that are diseased inside their souls, then most of us in the developed world are failing that test with flying colors. But if we strive for truth and disassociate ourselves from lies, God might choose to bring a victory in our time in order to break the ice-cold stillness in Congress on climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very disappointed that the fantastic nonviolent demonstration of love will not be occurring on March 15-18. I was so excited about Tim&#8217;s trial that I was about to pose as a music promoter in order to try to con Rage Against the Machine/Neil Young/Thom Yorke to play at his trial for more media coverage! Like you all in Utah, we&#8217;re also really desperate and somewhat consciously unaware of the scope of the problems that our generation faces, and we wanted to do all we could to help you out. </p>
<p>This is a great article, Derreck. As Tim has pointed out in the past, inspiring yet harrowingly realistic articles like this are going to be a good first step to help people get out of their shells and onto the streets, including myself. All of us suffer from varying levels of despair and lethargy at times regarding the various ecological crises our planet faces, and we have to delicately balance realism &#8211; which often topples into despair &#8211; with a larger feeling of participation in a vibrant, young, and historically unparalleled movement for global environmental and socioeconomic justice.</p>
<p>In terms of the spiritual tradition which I understand the best &#8211; Islam &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot related to this ethical imperative of &#8220;avoiding foolish hope.&#8221; There&#8217;s a fantastic quote from the Quran where it says that &#8220;God does not change a people until they change themselves.&#8221; It sounds simple, but it has a number of deeper meanings, and one of the most important meanings is that of divine grace granted to individuals who prove themselves better than their peers by holding fast to realism, even if realism is painful. </p>
<p>In Islam, the purpose of this existence is merely a test to discern which individuals are more suited to a noble position in the hereafter due to their deeds and character in this life. Therefore, we must understand that there are all kinds of ostensibly appealing but ultimately deceptive traps that are set for us in this life &#8211; the &#8220;apples of Eden&#8221; &#8211; in order to discern whether we&#8217;ve passed the test, and to know if we actually deserve the blessings of God or if we&#8217;re just a bunch of hypocrites that want an easy way out. From the perspective of modern industrial civilization, consumer culture and high-kilowatt &#8220;green&#8221; culture is this apple that the evil one tempts us with. If we&#8217;re culpably intertwined with any coddling ideology which hides immense injustice by spoonfeeding us with opiates or placebos &#8211; whether they be shopping malls, Hummers, SUVs, clean coal, a few organic bagels, a &#8220;foolish hope&#8221; that somebody else like Obama will solve the problem, or anything else &#8211; it is imperative upon us to consciously break away from these placebos and tools of hypnotists, even if it is a painful process. God is not going to help us out until we &#8220;change ourselves,&#8221; or rip the rotten bark away from the stem which comprises our spiritual core. Once we admit to ourselves all of the subtle and often subconscious lies which ease the burden on our shellshocked consciences, we can then help individuals warm up to participation in real solutions &#8211; solutions which require hard work and struggle, such as community organizing, massive protests, civil disobedience, and disassociation from public and private individuals who discourage our own moral resolve for environmental peace. We are up against very, very evil forces who don&#8217;t give a shit about the planet, and they have a lot more money than we do. So we&#8217;re gonna have to get smart, and we&#8217;re gonna have to purify ourselves of all the bullshit and the foolish hope. God&#8217;s not gonna change our own state unless we wake up and smell the coffee ourselves.   </p>
<p>Not many people are pulling the spiritual imperative out of the climate change narrative at a level effective enough to punch the average Joe in the face. If we were able to do this, God willing, it could be an effective turning point in the struggle for climate justice. This is no joke &#8211; our generation literally deserves eternity in hellfire for the resource burden that we will bring upon later generations due to our own decadent waste of water, oil, air, etc. I believe, however, that if we begin to infuse the environmental justice movement with a strong spiritual component, we might be able to turn the tide in America and elsewhere. Remember that the civil rights and abolitionist movements both maintained some of their strongest support from spiritual communities. Climate change is a problem that will determine the trajectory of our own lives, the lives of many generations after us, and the lives of our souls in the hereafter. We must try to impart that to the American public.  </p>
<p>If, as many indigenous and prophetic traditions including Islam state, this world is just a test to separate the brave and the truthful from those that are diseased inside their souls, then most of us in the developed world are failing that test with flying colors. But if we strive for truth and disassociate ourselves from lies, God might choose to bring a victory in our time in order to break the ice-cold stillness in Congress on climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim DeChristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.peacefuluprising.org/beyond-hope-20100221/comment-page-1#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim DeChristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff,

Part of the point of this article is that the deniers are not the problem. The problem is those of us who see the problem and hope that someone else is going to solve it.  The most common form of passive inaction in Utah right now is the hope that once deniers get it, things will be ok.  Worrying about what deniers think is just another way to avoid taking the necessary action to protect ourselves.</description>
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<p>Part of the point of this article is that the deniers are not the problem. The problem is those of us who see the problem and hope that someone else is going to solve it.  The most common form of passive inaction in Utah right now is the hope that once deniers get it, things will be ok.  Worrying about what deniers think is just another way to avoid taking the necessary action to protect ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: When Sarah Palin is Right &#171; Peaceful Uprising</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Sarah Palin is Right &#171; Peaceful Uprising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is passive.  Hope is what you have when you have exhausted all other options.  As Derreck Jensen writes, &#8220;To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning [...]</description>
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		<title>By: When Sarah Palin is right &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Sarah Palin is right &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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